Yoshiking wrote:Gus Van Sant's Elephant is a pretty fantastic film in my opinion.. It has such a great atmosphere. I can see how people might not like it though, seeing as it can be challenging to watch if you're not prepared for long stretches of time where nothing happens.
uhmm no sorry. i love haneke & bela tarr's long shots look absolutely stunning; it's not that i have a problem with "nothing happening," it's that i have a problem with the pretension. gus van sant made a fucking movie about the columbine massacre & had brooding teenagers playing first-person-shooters, keying out moonlight sonata, having a homosexual encounter, watching nazi propaganda, & buying fire arms off the internet; that shit is fucking offensive! further, your explanation for it's genius is fucking invented... what high school did you go to where kids just aimlessly walk around the halls for no apparent reason? what high school did you go to where each human being acts as if they are sleep walking? the film is a million miles from realism, and as surrealism... who gives a fuck? it's not bad movie because of any technical or aesthetic aspect (although i find absolutely nothing impressive in this film consider those criteria), it's about the ideology of the film; its supposed "message." the movie is fucking called elephant... it's supposed to be about that thing we're all ignoring that's so painfully obvious? & what is that thing? doom, sad songs, homosexuality, & nazis? way to slap us in the face with stupidity!
further... your evaluation of what makes a bad movie bad is lame & superficial as shit. who gives a fuck of the production is bad or if the blood doesn't look right... that's laughable & "bad" in of itself, sure. but, a truly awful film is bad beyond the surface... it's bad at its core, at its foundation. a film that emotional dishonest (like juno) or a film that proposes to be more important than it truly is (the fountain). the films that should make a list of "wost movies ever" had to really work to get there... through bad ideas, not the poor execution of no ideas, or alright ideas, or who-cares-ideas. ideology is @ the heart of what truly sucks about movies or rules about movies or whatever...
BOO FOR YOUR SURFACE INTERPRETATION! THAT'S SOME SHALLOW SHIT!
p.s. i'm really tired.