Best Current Actors

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I've said in other threads that I think Amy Adams is my favorite actress working today. But I'd been unable to think of an actor that I could say the same thing about. But going back over the recent Nightcrawler, I realized that it's the latest example of the wide ranging versatility of Jake Gyllenhaal. Other performances that figured into this are Donnie Darko, Jarhead and End of Watch. So I'm hereby bestowing that honor on him.

BTW, except for other thespians that died young in this latter period, I think that makes these two the best ever--but I'm not prepared to defend that evaluation since I know that there are those who believe (irrationally :roll: ) that the golden age of movies was an earlier time such as the '40s or '70s, making such a through-the-years discussion pointless.

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What is the focus for this topic, Stewie? Discussing our own favorite current actors, or your's? (Adams and Gyllenhaal)

Amy Adams has always struck me as highly forgettable. I have seen her in three movies (Her, Catch me if you Can, and Drop Dead Gorgeous) and not only was there nothing memorable about her performances to the point where I forget she played those roles, I have to struggle to even remember what Adams looked like in each one. She is impressively milquetoast and generic.

I will reserve judgment on Jake Gyllenhaal. Hated him in Donnie Darko, but that might be because I disliked that stupid fucking flick so much. The only other movie I've seen him in was City Slickers, which he was in at the age of 10.

In terms of my own favorite modern-day actors, Daniel Day-Lewis, Jeremy Renner, and Jon Hamm among the men. Kate Winslet among the women.

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ShogunRua wrote:What is the focus for this topic, Stewie? Discussing our own favorite current actors, or your's? (Adams and Gyllenhaal)


You pretty much answered that in your response. Good job.

Amy Adams has always struck me as highly forgettable. I have seen her in three movies (Her, Catch me if you Can, and Drop Dead Gorgeous) and not only was there nothing memorable about her performances to the point where I forget she played those roles, I have to struggle to even remember what Adams looked like in each one. She is impressively milquetoast and generic.


Adam's breakout role was in Enchanted where she took a throwaway character and achieved notice by actually doing something with it. I think she probably benefited a lot, and turned in great performances, by working with Meryl Streep in Julie and Julia and especially Doubt. She was excellent in The Master along with the others of the excellent cast, but in a dumb movie. She was the outstanding title character in Her, but I think you were so busy disliking the movie you missed it. Jennifer Lawrence drew a lot of attention in American Hustle, but Adams made that movie IMNTBHO, and she was anything but generic. (Renner, who is also one of my favorites, showed he could also do non-action in that movie.) Adams looks to be having another excellent roll in Big Eyes this December.

We seem to be, or have become, at opposites much more often than not. No accounting for taste etc. As for CMIYC and DDG, I only saw the forgettable former and they were both small rolls--the latter being her first movie.

I will reserve judgment on Jake Gyllenhaal. Hated him in Donnie Darko, but that might be because I disliked that stupid fucking flick so much. The only other movie I've seen him in was City Slickers, which he was in at the age of 10.


Try one of the other examples I mentioned, especially End of Watch. BTW, Michael Peña has gotta be the most likeable person in Hollywood. I'd call him Mr. Congeniality but that could be interpreted as a slam I s'pose.

In terms of my own favorite modern-day actors, Daniel Day-Lewis, Jeremy Renner, and Jon Hamm among the men. Kate Winslet among the women.


Jon Hamm? Mostly small or inconsequential stuff so far. I did like him in the small part of High Roller in Sucker Punch. As for both Kate and DDL, they are great in their range, but not terribly versatile. Renner is being marginalized for some reason. His was my favorite Bourne, but he appears to be at odds with Matt Damon who allows as how he might deign to do another one, but without Renner (sniff). Too much competition, not high enough on the A-list, not liberal, not gay, what?

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Stewball wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:What is the focus for this topic, Stewie? Discussing our own favorite current actors, or your's? (Adams and Gyllenhaal)


You pretty much answered that in your response. Good job.


How? I answered both prompts, but which one did you have in mind?

Stewball wrote:
Amy Adams has always struck me as highly forgettable. I have seen her in three movies (Her, Catch me if you Can, and Drop Dead Gorgeous) and not only was there nothing memorable about her performances to the point where I forget she played those roles, I have to struggle to even remember what Adams looked like in each one. She is impressively milquetoast and generic.


Adam's breakout role was in Enchanted where she took a throwaway character and achieved notice by actually doing something with it. I think she probably benefited a lot, and turned in great performances, by working with Meryl Streep in Julie and Julia and especially Doubt. She was excellent in The Master along with the others of the excellent cast, but in a dumb movie. She was the outstanding title character in Her, but I think you were so busy disliking the movie you missed it.


Considering I gave it a 51, T5, I didn't dislike Her. I simply wasn't as amazed by it as you were, as it's a generic, by-the-numbers romance film with two differences (the object of romance is AI and the ending is a bit different) and nice cinemaphotography. Even then, my overall feelings for a movie have little to do with appraisal of its actors. For instance, I liked Joaquin Phoenix's performance and Scarlet's voice-over work.

Adams, who had a modest role in that movie, was generic and anonymous.

Stewball wrote:We seem to be, or have become, at opposites much more often than not. No accounting for taste etc. As for CMIYC and DDG, I only saw the forgettable former and they were both small rolls--the latter being her first movie.


While neither role is as small as you're claiming, I should point out that great actors are memorable even when they're on screen for a minute.

Stewball wrote:Try one of the other examples I mentioned, especially End of Watch. BTW, Michael Peña has gotta be the most likeable person in Hollywood. I'd call him Mr. Congeniality but that could be interpreted as a slam I s'pose.


As crazy coincidence would have it, End of Watch expires tomorrow on Netflix, and I intend to watch it tonight. Judging by the reviews on there, it's a big hit with current/former cops.

Stewball wrote:Jon Hamm? Mostly small or inconsequential stuff so far.


I take it you've never seen or even heard of the television show Mad Men?

Stewball wrote:I did like him in the small part of High Roller in Sucker Punch. As for both Kate and DDL, they are great in their range, but not terribly versatile.


Kate has a decent amount of range; compare Heavenly Creatures to Revolutionary Road, for instance. As for Daniel Day-Lewis not having range...what are you conceivably talking about? He plays a completely different character in practically every film!

Have you only seen one of his movies or something?!

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I'm partial to Brad Pitt. He seems quite capable of doing it all. Snatch and then Burn After Reading. Inglorious Bastards and then something like that fucking crazy as shit Terrence Malick film. A lot of range for an actor.

Wish I can pinpoint an actress, but other than pointing out the ones I want to bone, I don't have a lot of input.

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Well, I'm still undecided on Jake Gyllenhaal. I saw End of Watch and his performance was probably decent. Unfortunately, the movie was such shit that I couldn't even sit through the whole damn thing.

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martryn wrote:I'm partial to Brad Pitt. He seems quite capable of doing it all. Snatch and then Burn After Reading. Inglorious Bastards and then something like that fucking crazy as shit Terrence Malick film. A lot of range for an actor.


True, especially Burn After Reading and Fight Club. I thought The Tree of Life made a lot of sense.

ShogunRua wrote:I saw End of Watch and his performance was probably decent. Unfortunately, the movie was such shit that I couldn't even sit through the whole damn thing.


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True, especially Burn After Reading and Fight Club. I thought The Tree of Life made a lot of sense.


There we go. Tree of Life is a film that is too much art for me to enjoy. I watched the thing, didn't really get it, was waiting for something to happen, and then it seemed like everyone was in heaven or some shit. Go figure.

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martryn wrote:
True, especially Burn After Reading and Fight Club. I thought The Tree of Life made a lot of sense.


There we go. Tree of Life is a film that is too much art for me to enjoy. I watched the thing, didn't really get it, was waiting for something to happen, and then it seemed like everyone was in heaven or some shit. Go figure.


It was a spiritual movie, with the whole thing being a rebuke to the (human) author of the Book of Job and the Achilles Heel of all revealed religions that it is trying to obscure--the total lack of divine interaction/revelation. Check the quote from put up at the beginning:
"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:4,7 (IOW, who are you to ask me why?--which is a non-answer that the author spins in an interminable number of examples trying to obscure.)

But there is an answer: God, if It exists, doesn't intervene, so that our decisions are our own.

Many will say, so fuckin' what, why is this the least bit important? Because the Truth is important. We can't detect the lies without an understanding of Truth.

Sorry, but that's why I think it's interesting, because Truth is important, and religion has obscured it as effectively as it has the Tree of Life. The Tree of Knowledge (of good and evil) IS the Tree of Life.

The final scene was obscure but meant, I think, as an alternative to the streets of gold and lake of fire scenario. In any case, setting the record straight about the lies on which revelations and miracles are built is a noble, and I think interesting, theme.

So then what does Malick do next? He goes out and undercuts this whole effort by making that abomination, To the Wonder, and who knows what else after that.

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movieboy wrote:Ed Norton - but sadly, he mostly does mediocre movies.
Leonardo De Caprio


Very talented, yes, if only they weren't such assholes.

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