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I've watched and enjoyed a bunch of anime, but honestly, the Miyazaki films I watched only stilted my enjoyment of the medium, since I believer they range from mediocre to absolute shit.

Satoshi Kon is an amazing genius, however, and it's amusing that two of his films were basically re-made into major Hollywood films of 2010; "Paprika" into "Inception" and "Perfect Blue" into the relatively shitty "Black Swan". It was a tragedy when he died in August of last year of cancer, aged just 46.

Shinichiro Watanabe is incredible; Samurai Champloo is the best anime series I have seen, Cowboy Bebop is amazing, and Cowboy Bebop: The Movie is the absolute best of anything the genre has to offer. It's my third highest rated film on this site.

Yoshiaki Kawajiri is also phenomenal; I loved Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, Highlander: Vengeance, Ninja Scroll, and World Record.

Among other series, I thought the original Vampire Hunter D, Berserk, Kaiji, Akagi, and Grappler Baki were all masterpieces, too.

All that being said, I would agree that 98+% of anime is complete and utter shit. (Insert smilie face)

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Luna6ix wrote:... when i say the word "anime" i say it phonetically ( "an" from annex, and "ime" from mime.)


There were Speed Racer and Marine Boy syndications on tv in the late '70s.

depressing........depressing........Trixie..........and that fucking dog (Micheal-6 sad face)

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+1 for Vampire Hunter D
+1 for Ninja Scroll

Fritz the Cat!!

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Fritz the Cat isn't anime.

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haha, i know. thought it might be close enough as there isn't too much adult animation around. :)

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Paprika was a shameful ripoff of the series Paranoia Agent... has no one else noticed that? And I understood PA to be a popular series. I don't know how Paprika gets such a pass on that from so many people.

CAT SOUP (!) is definitely one for this list. +1

You're not going to swing many people who hate anime with Miyazaki films, though I love Princess Mononoke and others, they're about as "typical looking anime" as you can get. To appeal to people who hate anime, I think Ghost in the Shell (1) is a much better start. The most crucial aspect, however, is to never allow anyone to claim that they've "watched anime and hated it" if they saw some mangled English/German dub. There's not much point involving yourself in cultured discourse with someone who doesn't have the decency to watch films in their original language.
Samurai Champloo, Berserk, Azumanga Daioh, FLCL, and Evangelion are also all excellent, but suffer from similar "way-too-anime" contents as the films I mentioned above, and might better be sampled after getting over the prejudice hump... and this thread is supposed to be about films, no?
(but as long as we're naming series, Planetes is definitely one to show the haters).

Finally, one would do well to avoid the Cowboy Bebop movie before watching the series (or ever). Essentially the film is an incongruous extended episode, which doesn't integrate the characters very elegantly at all - no where near the level that the masterpiece series does.

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I think you're just being stubborn in saying that you dislike anime when the "animes for people who hate anime" are all highly acclaimed, popular works that essentially help set a standard for anime.

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Calexico wrote:I think you're just being stubborn in saying that you dislike anime when the "animes for people who hate anime" are all highly acclaimed, popular works that essentially help set a standard for anime.


The anime Luna6ix listed as enjoying is completely unrepresentative of what is made and is popular nowadays.

Modern anime is mostly a jerk-off fantasy for basement-dwelling Tokyo losers featuring 8 year-old sex slave dolls who the audience is told are in the 16-18 year old range. ("Moe") It's completely vile, repulsive, derivative crap that anyone should be ashamed of liking or supporting.

The films and series listed in this topic are either extreme exceptions, or much older anime, (notice how many works are from the 80s and 90s) before this trend became so pervasive and consumed the entire medium.

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There is a lot of stuff, come on. If you don't like the general anime tropes, you have Hayao Miyazaki, Isao Takahata, Satoshi Kon, Mamoru Oshii, Makoto Shinkai, all of them authors with a recognizable style that, even if it takes things and imagery from the mainstream anime, is still very unique.

But if that doesn't sound convincing there is experimental stuff (Cat Soup, Mind Game, Serial Experiments: Lain, and short films from Osamu Tezuka, Koji Yamamura, Kunio Kato), there are series anyone -fan or not- can enjoy easily (Cobwoy Bebop being the greatest example... I still don't know anyone who hates it)...

I don't know. Even if you hate the anime stereotypes there is stuff that uses them quite well (Azumanga Daioh, as mentioned above. It's my favorite anime series. And also: School Rumble (teen comedy, and quite effective at it), Haruhi (probably not hype-worthy but that doesn't make it a bad show at all), Death note (thrilling at the very least, some flaws at the story), Princess Tutu (another personal and barely known favorite)...).

About "moe": quite honestly, I don't know what to think about it. It has become such a repeated trope in itself in the criticisms of anime fans that probably its relevance in the current industry is being overdimensioned. It is just a trendy resource, some use it well and some use it badly, it's not exactly anything new and doesn't involve anything bad per se. If anything, it becomes bad if the show is clumsy at trying to feel cute, if it loses its effectiveness or bases its whole strength on that alone. None of the above mentioned series has any of those characteristics and all of them are from the 00's.

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abcdefgh wrote:There is a lot of stuff, come on. If you don't like the general anime tropes, you have Hayao Miyazaki, Isao Takahata, Satoshi Kon, Mamoru Oshii, Makoto Shinkai, all of them authors with a recognizable style that, even if it takes things and imagery from the mainstream anime, is still very unique.

But if that doesn't sound convincing there is experimental stuff (Cat Soup, Mind Game, Serial Experiments: Lain, and short films from Osamu Tezuka, Koji Yamamura, Kunio Kato), there are series anyone -fan or not- can enjoy easily (Cobwoy Bebop being the greatest example... I still don't know anyone who hates it)...


You're probably not responding to me, but I'm aware of all the series you list, (and yes, "Mind Game" and "Cat Soup" should be added to the list of quality works I mentioned in my post on the last page) but they don't change the reality of how putrid modern-day anime is.

Take a gander at this;

http://www.fandompost.com/wp-content/up ... -Chart.jpg

That's every single anime produced in Japan during the summer of 2011. The vast majority feature the "6 year-old, flat-chested girl with giant saucer eyes and no nose masquerading as a supposed teenager for Japanese basement-dwellers to jack off to".

Hell, I don't see any series, film, or OVA that would qualify as anything mature or particularly interesting on there.

Haruhi (probably not hype-worthy but that doesn't make it a bad show at all),


It's pretty bad, alright.

Princess Tutu (another personal and barely known favorite)...).


It's quite well-known, but I refuse to watch a series with such obvious pandering to pedophiles.

About "moe": quite honestly, I don't know what to think about it. It has become such a repeated trope in itself in the criticisms of anime fans that probably its relevance in the current industry is being overdimensioned. It is just a trendy resource, some use it well and some use it badly, it's not exactly anything new and doesn't involve anything bad per se. If anything, it becomes bad if the show is clumsy at trying to feel cute, if it loses its effectiveness or bases its whole strength on that alone. None of the above mentioned series has any of those characteristics and all of them are from the 00's.


Firstly, that's factually wrong; Cowboy Bebop was from the 90s. Also, a bunch of things you mentioned ("Cat Soup", "Serial Experiments Lain", "Mind Game", etc.) are from either 2000 or 2001, off the top of my head. It technically qualifies, but the industry was different back then.

Secondly, it's funny that you don't see anything wrong with moe, considering many people involved in the anime/manga industry in Japan do see it as a disturbing trend. Everyone from Shinichiro Watanabe (director of "Cowboy Bebop", "Samurai Champloo", etc.) to authors of books on manga/anime history.

Thirdly, there is no fucking comparison to what things were like in the late 80s and early 90s to today. Back then, the animation style I put in quotes above was limited to a small minority of manga.

It only became a major force in anime beginning in the mid 2000s, and now, if you look at the line-up for any given season, is present in at least 90% of the series, and the main appealing force in the vast majority.

It also means many OVAs/series have no content besides its softcore porn, pedophilic undertones. Many series are now adopted from adult cartoon porn games (School Days) or anything else salacious and content-less. (like a cartoon porn card games! Queen's Blade)

Oh, and of course, there was a huge anime bestseller which featured 20 minutes of a big-breasted, teenage girl SLEEPING. I can't make shit like this up.

So to summarize, whether out of ignorance or misrepresentation, you are very wrong about the current state of anime. (It's utter and complete crap)

Most series/OVA today are the most vile, disgusting, and mindless shit imaginable. Let's not kid ourselves.

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