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Do best picture and best director always go to the same film

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:37 am
by nauru
Seems like a waste of space if they do, sort of winner take all.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:46 am
by CMonster
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Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:01 pm
by Stewball
nauru wrote:Seems like a waste of space if they do, sort of winner take all.


Yeah, the director should get the award for best picture. The director has artistic control (no matter what the contracts say) and is the most responsible for what shows up on the screen--certainly not the producer, of which there are 10 or 20 for modern films it appears. Their role is important (financing), but it ain't art.

I'm still waiting for an explanation for why Ridley Scott didn't win BD for Gladiator which won best picture in 2000, instead of Soderbergh for Traffic--and that's just the first of many examples that stick in my craw. About the best you can hope for with awards shows is them getting at least one major award right. :evil: I need to be the one to auditing and certifying the Oscar voting instead of Price Waterhouse. I'd get it right even if it didn't match up with the votes cast......or if a film/actor wasn't even nominated. 8-)

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:36 pm
by TheDenizen
Oh god, I forgot that Gladiator won Best Picture. Thanks for reminding me :evil:

Proof that awards shows are meaningless. Gladiator was an abortion.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:05 pm
by ayall
TheDenizen wrote:Gladiator was an abortion.


Ya it wasn't.

Gladiator is a great film.

"Strength & Honor" "Shadows & Dust"

Ridley Scott, Russell Crowe, Joaquin Phoenix; incredible job all around.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:57 pm
by TheDenizen
Russell Crowe sucks, the CGI was garbage, Joaquin was a joke (though he's been good in other stuff, his performance in Gladiator was baaaaaad) and the writing was painful....one eye rolling moment after another.

Just an opinion, and example of how awards shows consistently reward stuff that doesn't appeal to me. Hence why I find them to be utterly without merit...

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 pm
by ayall
TheDenizen wrote:Russell Crowe sucks, the CGI was garbage, Joaquin was a joke (though he's been good in other stuff, his performance in Gladiator was baaaaaad) and the writing was painful....one eye rolling moment after another.

Just an opinion, and example of how awards shows consistently reward stuff that doesn't appeal to me. Hence why I find them to be utterly without merit...


I couldn't disagree with you more.
Russell Crowe is a great actor has proven so in tons of films; The Insider, A Beautiful Mind, American Gangster and he did an amazing job as Gladiator. I had heard his off-screen personality is questionable, but so are many such as Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson (who are also great actors).
Joaquin is another great actor, and I thought his performance in Gladiator probably carried him up the Hollywood ladder.
The CGI was great for the time, and the fight scenes were terrific. Ridley deserved that best director and it's a shame he didn't get it. One of the main characters actors died (Oliver Reed) and Ridley managed to use CGI to recreate that actor so the movie could be complete!

The only valid criticism of the film would be that the story was fiction.
Considering history has provided us with a wide variety of fucked up and entertaining stories from the Roman Empirical times, it could be claimed that it wasn't necessary to conjure up a fake Gladiator story.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:07 am
by TheDenizen
My ratings for Russell Crowe: 9 films, average rating: 41.1, average Tier: 3.2, and that's with the results being heavily skewed by a single T9 ranking (for 3:10 to Yuma). :)

I think he's a pretty crap actor, but you don't agree....and that's OK. I have very questionable taste.

For example, I preferred Oliver Reed when he was starring in nunsploitation and Italian crime films.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:28 pm
by nauru
Hollywood needs a lot more big-budget sword and sandal flicks. Roman Republic/Empire sword and sandal flicks. Instead they seem to focusing on some kind of resurgence of westerns which is a grave disappointment for me to say the least.

Re: Do best picture and best director always go to the same

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:55 pm
by Stewball
TheDenizen wrote:I have very questionable taste.


Ah, we arrive at the nut of the problem.

And Oliver Reed was excellent as well. "He sold me queer giraffes. I want my moneyback!"

Crowe's portrayal of a natural leader was why he deserved the Oscar--nevermind that it was probably as a reward for his previous years performance in The Insider, which I didn't think was that special btw, it being a political hit piece. And he should have gotten another one for Master and Commander, and yes, 3:10 to Yuma was indeed excellent too.

What was wrong with the CGI ....or the writing?

Commodus: The general who became a slave. The slave who became a gladiator. The gladiator who defied an emperor. Striking story! But now, the people want to know how the story ends. Only a famous death will do. And what could be more glorious than to challenge the Emperor himself in the great arena?
Maximus: You would fight me?
Commodus: Why not? Do you think I am afraid?
Maximus: I think you've been afraid all your life.... I knew a man once who said, "Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back."
Commodus: I wonder, did your friend smile at his own death?
Maximus: You must know. He was your father.
Commodus: You loved my father, I know. But so did I. That makes us brothers, doesn't it? Smile for me now, brother.[stabs him]

Maximus: I am required to kill, so I kill. That is enough.
Proximo: That's enough for the provinces, but not enough for Rome.

Gracchus: Fear and wonder, a powerful combination.
Falco: You really think people are going to be seduced by that?
Gracchus: I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it's the sand of the coliseum. He'll bring them death - and they will love him for it. (It was ever thus, and never more than now.)

Commodus: Have I missed it? Have I missed the battle?
Marcus Aurelius: You have missed the war.
Commodus: Father, congratulations. I shall sacrifice a hundred bulls to honor your triumph.
Marcus Aurelius: Save the bulls. Honor Maximus. He won the battle.

Proximo: Listen to me. Learn from me. I was not the best because I killed quickly. I was the best because the crowd loved me. Win the crowd and you will win your freedom.

Commidus: They embrace him as one of their own.
Lucilla: The mob is fickle brother, they will have forgotten him in a month.

(The scene showing bread being thrown to the crowd/mob in the circus is worth a thousand words.)

Maximus: What we do in life echoes in eternity. (A fitting epitaph for the good, the evil, and the quivering, IOW, everyone. It will be on my tombstone.)

I could go on. It's hard to stop, but I could have stopped with the giraffes. 8-)

Were you not entertained? :roll:


nauru wrote:Hollywood needs a lot more big-budget sword and sandal flicks. Roman Republic/Empire sword and sandal flicks. Instead they seem to focusing on some kind of resurgence of westerns which is a grave disappointment for me to say the least.


While I applaud your enthusiasm for Roman epics, I haven't noticed much of a resurgence in westerns. I trust you're not including Django which is really more of a southern than a western. :D