Movie-Specific : The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

[ShogunRua]

Well, I would have appreciated it if you responded to my own reply, but instead, you ignored over half of what I wrote.

after one resorts to name-calling, I pay less attention.

Like I wrote on the last page;

*hoping one won't resort to name-calling*

Funny that you preface your post with this, and then proceed to type up an extremely rude response. Why are you so surprised when that behavior is reciprocated by me?

EDIT, never mind, just read your previous post

So you finally read it after I posted it twice already? I just don't get it; if you don't care to read my posts, and admit it won't change your mind regardless, why were you so insistent on getting my interpretation?

Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.

What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof. Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.
* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.
* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

Right now, we have already proved that the filmmaker Gordon has lied on three separate occasions. Even the other people in this topic arguing against me and in favor of the work write that it was "clear exaggeration" in the best case.

And yet, you take his word over the word of multiple ordinary folks with no reason to lie, and no proof that they have ever been dishonest?

You've already made up your mind, and are distorting the facts to fit them, not the other way around.

I'm not complaning about the rules. This is the douchey part: Wiebe sends in tape of him breaking the record. Mitchell complains that he didn't do it life. Ok, so Wiebe does it again, life with audience. Then Billy sends his own tape. Ergo, Billy is a douche because he contradicts his own words by sending a tape.

I don't remember Billy ever complaining about Wiebe breaking his record by tape in the documentary. Rather, he states that live play is an important component in addition to the actual record games on VHS. This is in the context of his now friend Steve Sanders, who claimed he got 3 million on Donkey Kong in the early 1980s, but couldn't even crack 300,000 when playing against Billy in real life.

If you believe otherwise, link me to the relevant part of "The King of Wrong" on Youtube.

Read on the Twin Galaxies forums what other users have to say about Mitchell. He is certainly regarded a skilled arcade player, but considered quite a douche by his typical behaviour and actions.

Link?

[td888]

Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.

What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.

If Gordon says he has the receipts, is enough proof me. If you're so egg-headed you want to see the scans, that's your problem. Let Mitchell proof he has the receipts.

Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

I did not admit to this. You're putting words in my mouth (again).

* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.

before the docu. Doesn't make Mitchel less of a douche. Again, Mitchel didn't show up at the championship shown in the docu, but opted to send a tape instead (contradicting his own words). That does make him a douche.

* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.

So, what does that prove?

* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.

That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

No, they're not.

Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

You're taking my words out of context. I said Walter is in the Mitchell camp. Therefore his actions and what he said about this matter cannot be taken as the plain truth.

Right now, we have already proved that the filmmaker Gordon has lied on three separate occasions. Even the other people in this topic arguing against me and in favor of the work write that it was "clear exaggeration" in the best case.

It's still 'I' not 'we'.

And yet, you take his word over the word of multiple ordinary folks with no reason to lie, and no proof that they have ever been dishonest?

Which multiple ordinary folks? You haven't shown me anything, but one website from one guy.

You've already made up your mind, and are distorting the facts to fit them, not the other way around.

As have you. As I said before, it all depends on who you choose to believe. You are the one getting anal and frustated about this whole subject, not me.

I don't remember Billy ever complaining about Wiebe breaking his record by tape in the documentary. Rather, he states that live play is an important component in addition to the actual record games on VHS. This is in the context of his now friend Steve Sanders, who claimed he got 3 million on Donkey Kong in the early 1980s, but couldn't even crack 300,000 when playing against Billy in real life.
If you believe otherwise, link me to the relevant part of "The King of Wrong" on Youtube.

Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link, for the same reason you don't backup your claims in detail as well.

[ShogunRua]

Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.

What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.

If Gordon says he has the receipts, is enough proof me. If you're so egg-headed you want to see the scans, that's your problem. Let Mitchell proof he has the receipts.

So your only "proof" is the word of a director who has been caught lying multiple times in his work? Clearly, you don't understand what the word means.

And why in the world would Mitchell have the receipts? I have payed for other peoples' lunches and dinners before. Since it's for someone else, I pay in cash, not check, and thus, don't keep any receipts.

Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

I did not admit to this. You're putting words in my mouth (again).

Oh? Re-read what you wrote on the second page of this topic. While you downplayed their significance, at no point do you dispute those three points. The director himself doesn't offer any defense of those obvious and well-documented lies.

Unlike the restaurant, he doesn't have any phantom receipts to hide behind.

* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.

before the docu.

Oh, so you do admit it after all?

* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.

So, what does that prove?

Uh...did you even watch the documentary you claim to be defending? A major subplot was that TwinGalaxies supposedly didn't accept Wiebe's high score.

* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.

The tape proves that Mitchell's new high score was legitimate, not cheated, as the documentary implied.

And by golly, you're right; Mitchell following the standard submission rules that everyone else does for Twin Galaxies makes him a douche. To be a non-douche, he would have had to circumvent the normal publication route!

Yeah. Makes total sense. (Insert eye-roll)

That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

No, they're not.

You just admitted above that they were!

Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?
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You're taking my words out of context. I said Walter is in the Mitchell camp. Therefore his actions and what he said about this matter cannot be taken as the plain truth.

Exactly what did I take out of context there? You call a respected, much-liked referee who has been doing his job for 30 years a liar. You dismiss the entire subforum he wrote documenting the falsehoods in "The King of Wrong".

So I ask you again...where is your proof?

And nope, repeating "Mitchell is a douche! Mitchell is a douche!" ten thousand times doesn't count.

Which multiple ordinary folks? You haven't shown me anything, but one website from one guy.

During this exhaustive argument, I have linked to statements from former Twin Galaxies head referee Walter Day, the assistant referee shown in the film (forgot his name), Billy Mitchell, video game filmmaker Jason Wilson, and others in the community.

There are actual pictures and write-ups supporting their word.

All you have linked to is a single informal interview with the director and his claims of a receipt that doesn't exist.

I rest my case.

Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link,

But of course! I wouldn't expect anything more.

[td888]

What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.
So your only "proof" is the word of a director who has been caught lying multiple times in his work? Clearly, you don't understand what the word means.
And why in the world would Mitchell have the receipts? I have payed for other peoples' lunches and dinners before. Since it's for someone else, I pay in cash, not check, and thus, don't keep any receipts.

You think Gordon is lying. I think he's not. It's that simple. I show proof Gordon paid, you didn't show me any proof Mitchell paid. When I pay for a lunch whether via cash, card or visa, I still get a receipt.

Oh, so you do admit it after all?

Admit what? You are so caught up in 'proofing' the Gordon is a lyer, you are totally missing the point. Mitchell is a douche because he didn't show up at the championship, but send a tape instead (while he bombasted Wiebe before for doing the same thing). That's douchey to me.

Uh...did you even watch the documentary you claim to be defending? A major subplot was that TwinGalaxies supposedly didn't accept Wiebe's high score.

Again, besides the point. Doesn't have anything to do with Mitchell being a douche.

* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.

The tape proves that Mitchell's new high score was legitimate, not cheated, as the documentary implied.
And by golly, you're right; Mitchell following the standard submission rules that everyone else does for Twin Galaxies makes him a douche. To be a non-douche, he would have had to circumvent the normal publication route!
Yeah. Makes total sense. (Insert eye-roll)

Yes exactly, if Mitchell had some balls, he would have gone to play life as well. As Wiebe was doing.

You just admitted above that they were!

Nope. Adjust your reading skills.

Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

It has already been explained in this thread before.

Exactly what did I take out of context there? You call a respected, much-liked referee who has been doing his job for 30 years a liar. You dismiss the entire subforum he wrote documenting the falsehoods in "The King of Wrong".
So I ask you again...where is your proof?

Nope, your taking my words out of context again. I never said that, I said something about omitting or changing certain facts. That's not the same. Again, adjust your read skills.

And nope, repeating "Mitchell is a douche! Mitchell is a douche!" ten thousand times doesn't count.

The same goes for screaming Gordon is a liar.

During this exhaustive argument, I have linked to statements from former Twin Galaxies head referee Walter Day, the assistant referee shown in the film (forgot his name), Billy Mitchell, video game filmmaker Jason Wilson, and others in the community. There are actual pictures and write-ups supporting their word.

Nope, they are all the same source.

All you have linked to is a single informal interview with the director and his claims of a receipt that doesn't exist.

And some other claims as well. What's your point?

Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link,

But of course! I wouldn't expect anything more.

You expect me to give the exact background details of my arguments, while you don't have to? I cannot be bothered to watch this docu again just to prove some point to you. It will be pointless anyway.

[td888]

We're both arguing two different things.

You believe the documentary is one big lie. I believe Billy Mitchell is the biggest douche on earth.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Let's just keep it at that.

[td888]

Justice is served.

"Wiebe nudged Billy's July 31 record of 1,062,800 points with a masterful 1,064,500-point effort, achieved on August 20 and confirmed today by score authority Twin Galaxies."

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/20/steve ... ong-again/

[TheDenizen]

I think both Mitchell and Wiebe need to find a new hobby.

Playing 40 year old arcade games in your garage and videotaping it so your score can be authenticated by a third party reeks of a level of geekdom I'm not entirely sure I can reconcile.

[tef]

I think both Mitchell and Wiebe need to find a new hobby.

Playing 40 year old arcade games in your garage and videotaping it so your score can be authenticated by a third party reeks of a level of geekdom I'm not entirely sure I can reconcile.

Thing is, we're all going to fucking die.

[TheDenizen]

[ShogunRua]

I think both Mitchell and Wiebe need to find a new hobby.

Playing 40 year old arcade games in your garage and videotaping it so your score can be authenticated by a third party reeks of a level of geekdom I'm not entirely sure I can reconcile.

To Mitchell's credit, he originally set most of his records as a teenager in the early 80s, when these games were mostly new. Now, with a family and fairly successful business career, he plays it once every couple of weeks or so. Arrogant or not, I wouldn't call that being a loser.

Wiebe, meanwhile, only started playing these games when he was in his 30s, with a broken athletic career, and a crappy job. Even in the documentary, you can see the guy just desperately wants and needs something to make him famous. (Although his own domineering, neurotic wife talked shit about his hobby, and how he needs to give it up for the sake of the family)

Just look through this topic; someone posted a Christian music album Wiebe has released to capitalize on his limited fame. The guy is a desperate loser through and through.