General Discussion : ignoring people?

[Pickpocket]

My discomfort with Downfall is that it's as if a revisionist reading of history which attempts to applaude Wehrmacht and its military heroism during the war as an ordinary or innocent or as usual as in any war! That's not the case. Downfall is not a Das Boot. Hitler deserves no sympathy.

oh my god they showed hitler being nice to his secretary in this film (something that is historically accurate)! *dismisses film entirely, ignoring what a sadistic psychpath he was portrayed as in the rest of the film*

[ehk2]

My discomfort with Downfall is that it's as if a revisionist reading of history which attempts to applaude Wehrmacht and its military heroism during the war as an ordinary or innocent or as usual as in any war! That's not the case. Downfall is not a Das Boot. Hitler deserves no sympathy.

oh my god they showed hitler being nice to his secretary in this film (something that is historically accurate)! *dismisses film entirely, ignoring what a sadistic psychpath he was portrayed as in the rest of the film*

you are much younger than 25, aren't you?

[Pickpocket]

My discomfort with Downfall is that it's as if a revisionist reading of history which attempts to applaude Wehrmacht and its military heroism during the war as an ordinary or innocent or as usual as in any war! That's not the case. Downfall is not a Das Boot. Hitler deserves no sympathy.

oh my god they showed hitler being nice to his secretary in this film (something that is historically accurate)! *dismisses film entirely, ignoring what a sadistic psychpath he was portrayed as in the rest of the film*

you are much younger than 25, aren't you?

I'm sorry that I don't agree with your misguided and distorted perception of a legitimately great film. Way to change the subject though and not address anything, a common theme I've noticed in your replies.

[ehk2]

"most of the critiques of the german film downfall, which opens here today, have missed the point. it is not the alleged humanising of hitler that is contentious, it is the lionising of the ss, who remain brave, unbending and beautifully dressed as berlin disintegrates around them." Stephen Moss, Guardian

please have a look:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/ap ... ar.germany

in addition I've found this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2005/apr ... ndworldwar

"The popularity of Downfall capitalises on the success of recent publications about the bombing of German cities and the dreadful experience of civilians overrun by the Red Army. These horrors are undeniable, but the use of memoirs intended to distance their authors from Nazism by depicting Hitler's clique as contemptible reinforces the sense of Germans as guileless victims. Is the belligerent self-pity fostered by Downfall becoming a new form of German nationalism?"

and finally here are some responses:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2005/apr ... ndworldwar
so, you can now assume that not everybody actually thinks that it's so and so great

[ehk2]

If you walk up to some random person on the street, grab them by the shoulder, and say 'Did you just see what I saw?!'....you'll find that no one wants to talk to you.

Bill Murray...

[afx237vi]

There's something deliciously ironic about a guy who professes to be vehemently anti-authoritarian summarily dismissing the opinion of every single person who even vaguely disagrees with him.

[jacobb1313]

There's something deliciously ironic about a guy who professes to be vehemently anti-authoritarian summarily dismissing the opinion of every single person who even vaguely disagrees with him.

Also infused with irony: the title of this forum.

[kyle.loomis]

I actually understand the discomfort one might get from Downfall, it is hard for people to humanize someone who is widely considered the Epitome of All Evil. People do need to be reminded however that Hitler was just a man, one man, and the responsibility for not just the holocaust, but all atrocities that humans have performed lies on entire peoples.

I'm probably reading too much into it, maybe the discomfort comes from the film accomplishing not to take sides, so our simpleton viewer (the OP) puts in their own "bias" (i.e. Not enough demonizing of Hitler = pro-Nazi).

Or whatever, maybe it's just a solid biopic.

[hellboy76]

Well I think I have found one person to use the ignore feature on. Zing!

[paulofilmo]

Well I think I have found one person to use the ignore feature on. Zing!

He has conviction. And consistency of taste: small revolutions.
Too interesting to ignore.

but he probably can't read this anyway. the cunt.