nauru wrote: Are Jewish overnight camps like this?
None that I'm aware of. I've never seen one of them here.
nauru wrote:I grew up with around half of my friends being jewish and they all went to these huge camps with thousands of people every summer.
Oh yeah, there are definitely summer camps held at local synagogues and JCC's around here. (Jewish Community Centers) They're not religious, though. I was an atheist as a kid, and went to one. We never had to learn about religion or anything, especially if we didn't want to.
nauru wrote:I always assumed the extremism was mostly a Christian thing (and once I got older, a Muslim thing too) but this Jesus Camp film reminded me of that early experience with religion and makes me wonder whether those Jewish camps and other religions' camps are basically brainwashing kids like the Christian ones.
Uh, no. The thing about "Jesus Camp" is that it makes people really paranoid about anything to do with religion, even if it's something as innocent as a summer camp.
nauru wrote:I think back to my conversations with many of my Jewish friends growing up, who were really fun to hang out with and reasonable, logical people until the subject of Israel came up-- and they could not talk rationally or logically at all. It was like something would click and they became impervious to reasoned discussion. So I quickly learned to always change the subject to something else if they mentioned any middle east stuff.
I don't know what exactly you talked about, but have you ever considered that maybe it wasn't all your friends who were insane? That you weren't the only smart guy in the room? Have you ever considered that maybe
you were being the irrational one?
I don't know; the way you phrased this paragraph comes off as really arrogant and insulting. Especially considering individual Jews have diametrically opposite views on what is going on in Israel.
Anomaly1 wrote:I haven't seen it but there's a documentary by Louis Theroux on Ultra-Zionists in Israel, which, according to shebang's review, has someone make the argument that "Look, we either occupy the West Bank or we go into the ovens of Auschwitz."
Louis Theroux is an idiot hack. The term "ultra-Zionists" and even "Zionists" is pretty damn offensive to begin with, kind of like calling a black person the n word.
Anyways, Theroux, being the good little liberal that he is, goes to Israel and makes a documentary on some evil, crazy Jews. At no point do these evil, crazy Jews do anything violent towards him, even when he is openly mocking their most fervent beliefs.
Had Louis made a similarly derisive documentary on those good, sane Muslims, he would probably return to Britain....in a body bag. With his genitals cut off.
Anomaly1 wrote:Religious extremism (more accurately, fundamentalism) is a relatively recent phenomena, resulting from the increasing secularization of society, which came about from the Industrial Revolution, development of modern medicine and just general increase in science being able to explain things and provide technology for us. Before, people were religious, but nobody went and took their holy book literally.
Wow, what complete horseshit.
Ever hear of the Crusades? Or the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre?!
People have been killing one another over religions for thousands of years
. The idea that this is a "relatively recent phenomena" might be the most idiotic, revisionist bullcrap I have ever read on an Internet forum. That's quite the accomplishment, Anomaly1. Take a bow.