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by kgbelliveau
Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:34 pm
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: "Nightcrawler"
Replies: 71
Views: 13305

Re: "Nightcrawler"

ShogunRua wrote:
kgbelliveau wrote:If that was the debate I'm sure we would all have an opinion it. I'm not trying to compare who had what growing up. You pity me because you think I'm a spoiled, Jealous Canadian kid who had it all. Apparently the two decades has turned into a bit of a prick. Just my opinion though. I'm not at all a failure, but I'm not perfect either. I've watched my parents work seasonal jobs their entire life, never sure if there would actually be enough work for them in order to make wages. Yes, there is an unemployment system here in Canada, but it's not enough to sustain a family on. You'r chance to have two decades of hard work and struggle were given to your by your father. Show some gratitude, because without that sacrifice you would have been just another stat about kids who didn't make it. That's the issue I was trying to raise. Not the families that do, but the propaganda that brings false hope to those who won't. I've seen my parents struggle, and I'm still struggling to achieve my dreams. I'm not hiding behind my fathers hard work and claiming to be self made American prodigy.


I want to end with this consideration, not just for you, but everyone; a lot of people are perfectly happy blaming all their problems and shortcomings on the government/society/parents/corporations/rich people/Obama/Republicans/white people/immigrants/men/liberals/conservatives. These people are losers looking for an excuse. Don't be like them.


I'm not trying to blame anything on anyone. I've worked hard to be where I am. I might not have prestigious awards (I'm glad for you, congrats on the awards. Congrats on the whole process of bettering yourself. I mean that openly). I can say that every day I still work hard, make the best effort possible and learn something every day. I just want to remind people that trying to chase sometimes impossible dreams isn't the best option.
by ShogunRua
Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:36 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: "Nightcrawler"
Replies: 71
Views: 13305

Re: "Nightcrawler"

kgbelliveau wrote:If that was the debate I'm sure we would all have an opinion it. I'm not trying to compare who had what growing up. You pity me because you think I'm a spoiled, Jealous Canadian kid who had it all. Apparently the two decades has turned into a bit of a prick. Just my opinion though. I'm not at all a failure, but I'm not perfect either. I've watched my parents work seasonal jobs their entire life, never sure if there would actually be enough work for them in order to make wages. Yes, there is an unemployment system here in Canada, but it's not enough to sustain a family on. You'r chance to have two decades of hard work and struggle were given to your by your father. Show some gratitude, because without that sacrifice you would have been just another stat about kids who didn't make it. That's the issue I was trying to raise. Not the families that do, but the propaganda that brings false hope to those who won't. I've seen my parents struggle, and I'm still struggling to achieve my dreams. I'm not hiding behind my fathers hard work and claiming to be self made American prodigy.


My parents are both awesome and worked hard, but I was the one who got excellent grades, took 15 AP Classes, aced Stanford math classes my sophomore year of high school, won numerous state/national awards in math competitions, etc, etc.

They had an influence and pushed me hard, but by the same token, one of my father's good friends is a top math professor at the University of Chicago, one of the premier math programs in the country. You can hardly ask for a better mentor/teacher than that.

I was friends with his son. Nice guy, but no motivation or interest in study (not just math and science, but anything at all), and average grades. Guess what? He went to an average state school and is working those same "seasonal jobs".

I want to end with this consideration, not just for you, but everyone; a lot of people are perfectly happy blaming all their problems and shortcomings on the government/society/parents/corporations/rich people/Obama/Republicans/white people/immigrants/men/liberals/conservatives. These people are losers looking for an excuse. Don't be like them.
by kgbelliveau
Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:07 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: "Nightcrawler"
Replies: 71
Views: 13305

Re: "Nightcrawler"

ShogunRua wrote:
kgbelliveau wrote: Shogun, thanks for pointing out that the American Dream does exist. We all knew it did, based on propaganda films glorifying American war hero's and just the fact that Hollywood, Broadway and all these Ivy League schools push people to their limits.


ShogunRua"There's nothing more absurdly comical than a Canadian lecturing an immigrant to the United States about The American Dream.


I know The American Dream exists because my family achieved it, as did countless other immigrant families from Russia, China, India, etc. Has nothing to do with movies, although thanks for admitting that's where you get your education and insight from.

And yes, I know the existence of The American Dream in the best sense of that term is a very uncomfortable and threatening reality for a liberal white Canadian/American taught to hate the country and reject any ideas of social mobility and ennobling ideals.

Which is why you cling to fictitious works to prop up your baseless beliefs.

[quote="kgbelliveau wrote:It was never about whether it existed or not just whether or not it is morally correct for someone like Terrence Fletcher to push the youth as hard as he did.


ShogunRua wrote:Compared to the majority of youth in the world, US students are pushed very lightly and gently. You would know this if you ever went outside your provincial bubble.


Again, a very egotistical statement. You're knowledge is based on what? Your family succeeding and you now being apart of the American System that actually has it good. At the age of 27, you have seen your father struggle but actually try and live life where you don't make into the top school, or make top dollar or you don't get lucky enough to immigrate and start over. It's not easy seeing struggle your whole life and never seeing people deserve it get the break they need. Welcome to North America, where we help everyone else and take from the people barely making it as is. I've seen the struggle from my "Provincial bubble" and from the inside of that bubble making something of yourself is difficult.I would do just about anything to make enough money so my family could get out of the bracket they are in and just be a little bit beyond just getting by. Thanks for the judgement though. I guess I got that knowledge from all the American films I watch. Come back and talk to me when you want to have a real conversation and not sit behind your top notch education.
by ShogunRua
Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:49 pm
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: "Nightcrawler"
Replies: 71
Views: 13305

Re: "Nightcrawler"

kgbelliveau wrote: Shogun, thanks for pointing out that the American Dream does exist. We all knew it did, based on propaganda films glorifying American war hero's and just the fact that Hollywood, Broadway and all these Ivy League schools push people to their limits.


There's nothing more absurdly comical than a Canadian lecturing an immigrant to the United States about The American Dream.

I know The American Dream exists because my family achieved it, as did countless other immigrant families from Russia, China, India, etc. Has nothing to do with movies, although thanks for admitting that's where you get your education and insight from.

And yes, I know the existence of The American Dream in the best sense of that term is a very uncomfortable and threatening reality for a liberal white Canadian/American taught to hate the country and reject any ideas of social mobility and ennobling ideals.

Which is why you cling to fictitious works to prop up your baseless beliefs.

kgbelliveau wrote:It was never about whether it existed or not just whether or not it is morally correct for someone like Terrence Fletcher to push the youth as hard as he did.


Compared to the majority of youth in the world, US students are pushed very lightly and gently. You would know this if you ever went outside your provincial bubble.
by Stewball
Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:56 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: "Nightcrawler"
Replies: 71
Views: 13305

Re: "Nightcrawler"

Ocelot wrote:
martryn wrote:I disagree about the comment on Ayn Rand. I think it misses the mark and someone fails to understand Objectivism, which is typical given the liberal bias present in academics and media completely distorting the youth of America.

First of all, what the fuck? Secondly, Lou Bloom is objectivism incarnate. I don't really know why he wouldn't be unless you have your own definition for it.


He was objectivism incarnate up until he started manipulating things (moving bodies, cutting break lines, withholding evidence, framing a shootout, setting up his partner) in order to pander to the public's thirst for gore at the expense of the objective Truth--not to mention petty retribution. The news director said an ideal shot would be a white woman running down the street with her throat cut, the spirit of which he pursued with all the gusto at his command. Objectivism isn't about satisfying our prurient interests, it's about getting and reporting the facts, and about justice. Instead, they'd suppress the facts to support their ratings.

martryn wrote:I think films should be entertaining, and if a movie fails to do that, I think it fails in it's primary purpose. I can like artsy films, too, but I can walk through the Tate Gallery and recognize that I'm looking at something magnificent and still wish I was sitting at home jerking off to internet porn of dubious origin.


If all a film is is entertainment or mete for masturbation, I wouldn't call it art, but something more like a superficial pastime. Art, true art, meaningful art, is a compelling Truth; re: Nightcrawler, which is also a painful Truth.