ShogunRua wrote:And in keeping with the literature analogy you're fond of using, something like "Heliodorus- An Ethiopian Romance" is an example of an antiquated, no longer relevant or particularly exciting, yet influential book made when the concept of novels was still new and largely experimental. Should it be in a list of the greatest works ever? If all you care about is influence, sure. If we're actually looking at the quality and depth of the novel, however, then absolutely NOT.
Hell, I have an even better example! Music! Do you honestly, seriously think that Elvis Presley, or for that matter, even a much superior early rock artist like Chuck Berry can even remotely compare with a more modern rock group like GNR, Dream Theater, or Symphony X? Nope.
rofl seeing as all those bands are fucking godawful, yeah i do. influence is obviously irrelevant to judgments of quality. sabbath are an absolute assload better than any one of those bands in every way that matters, but that's why they were so influential, not because of it.
In fact, when it comes to playing and producing music, those last three groups have all forgotten more than the originals ever knew. They would fucking run circles around them.
Hell, even a legendary guitar pioneer like Hendrix would get absolutely embarrassed by any top solo guitarist nowadays, whether it be Malmsteen (inspired by Hendrix, incidentally), Vai, Petrucci, Buckethead, or Sartriani.
technically sure, but none of them have the feel that hendrix had, or anything close to the songwriting ability. which, again, is my point. hendrix wouldn't have jerked off his guitar like dream theater even if he was capable, because he understood things like restraint and subtlety and mood and flow. he was a greater musician in every single way that relates to artistic quality.
I've watched Metropolis and Nosferatu and some Buster Keaton, and you couldn't be more wrong. They ARE boring. They ARE dry. Ditto for Chaplin, and whoever else you want to bring up. They're simply not that good, if you only take the blinders off.
i bow to your superior knowledge of what i find entertaining.
I take issue with you not reading my posts, and constantly mischaracterizing my position. This isn't what I said at all. Technical advancement was not the reason there were a number of great 1930's films that stand up to this very day, and practically none from the 20s.
Rather, it's the necessary improvement and knowledge gain that occurs upon the birth of ANY NEW MEDIUM.
ok fine, i just disagree when the cut off point is. the very first films are of no interest today, but film grew up before 1930.
If you think Shakespeare is the pinnacle of the written word to this very day, I feel deeply, deeply sorry for you. You're missing out on mountains of great literature, man.
There's nothing more I can even say at this point. I think you just favor old things because of their age.
3 or 4 of my top 10 favourite films are from this decade. several of my favourite albums are from this decade, some of my favourite books are from this decade. and shakespeare to me is the pinnacle of the written word. opinions are funny things huh. seems to me like you just hate old things because sometimes people mistakenly equate influence with quality.
You haven't proven a single thing.
lol well technically i haven't screenshotted the evidence but i've told you the facts twice already: the most obscure films on the imdb list are higher up on the TSP list, the most obscure films on the TSP top 250 are not on the IMDB list. it's telling that you keep refusing to acknowledge this even though it's right there in front of you.