Stewball wrote:ShogunRua wrote:You're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, my friend. The shaky cam in the Bourne Identity made the action scenes worse than unwatchable.
That's 2-1 just here alone, but I'll accept other references on your side if you can produce them.
JooJoo was not agreeing with you anyways, (he only stated the shaky cam was not "egregious") but I didn't realize we were suddenly having a popular election.
Considering you're probably not a fan of either Obama or Twilight, it makes even less sense for you to invoke the populist fallacy.
Stewball wrote:Yes, and I've only regarded them as secondary references--and I assume you do the same since you used its ranking not its tier to begin with.
Wah? I "used its ranking not its tier to begin with"? What does this even mean?
Stewball wrote:It was an understandable mistake, responding to my exhortation to see the BL by comparing it, the 4th in the franchise, to the first, particularly with a criticism which was a first in my recollection.
Sometimes I think you're simply blind. From a quick perusal of "The Bourne Identity" reviews;
CMonster-
"The shaky cam is over used, but is used much better than in most other films."
hellboy76-
"Sure the shaky cam gets a little redundant, but the performance and action make this a solid thriller."
Stewball wrote:So you at least admit they have been making good action films, but only with 40+ actors. I don't see how that's relevant.
It means the action movies that made them famous were all made in 2000 or earlier. You know, back before action movies in Hollywood were dead? Which was my main point?
Stewball wrote:As for drawing the line at about 40, you've got, Joseph Gordon-Levett, Ryan Gosling, Channing Tatum, Leo DiCaprio (who's in a lot of action movies if not an action star), Tom Hardy, Jeremy Renner, Jake Gyllenhaal and Matt Damon. I'd also include Shia LaBeouf who many people don't like but I think a lot of that is due to his youth (26), and he has a baby face to boot.
Not a single one of the guys you mentioned is an "action star". They made their fame in non-action roles. The overwhelming majority of films they star in are non-action.
Perhaps 1 out of every 5 movies they play in is a tame, CGI-heavy picture that loosely gets the "action" tag. Even then, most don't even perform their own stunts.
Arnie and Stallone are action stars. They made their fame in action movies, they mostly played action roles, there wasn't any CGI to cover for them, and they did most of their own stunts.
Stewieball wrote:Throw in Van Damme, Chuck Norris and Dwayne Johnson and they couldn't put together a good movie in a hundred years--and I can't think of a martial arts movie that's above a 30 anyway. Hell tv's Kung Fu was the best martial arts entertainment I can remember. I can't remember, did it use the swoosh sound ad nauseum as well?
We're not discussing your malformed opinions on quality here, but rather, what Hollywood is producing.
And they are avoiding martial arts films like the plague, whether with Jet Li, Jackie Chan, or anyone else.
Stewball wrote:Crouching Tiger was supposed to be good, but......
Great example! It came out in 2000. You're doing a fine job of proving my point that action films in Hollywood have been dead for the past decade.
Stewball wrote:Probably because they've developed and used a lot more tags, and if an action movie has drama or comedy as well, it usually gets tagged with that. And people have become more demanding with action movies, which inherently cost more to begin with, much less the modern action movie, than rom-coms, or the cheapest of all, horror.
This is hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting films have become less formulaic now as opposed to 20 years ago?
Have you SEEN the pictures out there? Especially the ones that are popular?
Stewball wrote:It looks like action goes out of its way for realism in the better films, again, like The Bourne Legacy.
If you think any part of those fight scenes were "realistic", then you simply know nothing about fights. They're precisely as realistic as the ones in "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon".
That is, having nothing to do with an actual fight.