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Stewball wrote:In a sense, it is, and justly so. The enemy uses women and children as combatants, giving no choice but to defend ourselves against them--with the greater guilt it can carry no matter how undeserved. And "propaganda" carries with the implication that it ignores salient facts, or worse, outright misrepresents the Truth.

But again I feel propaganda is an accurate term to describe what it is.

Are you saying he misrepresents the Truth or presents the story with a bias?

Well, yes. There obviously is a bias. All the Americans are uniformly unquestioning as to their goals and all terrorists are just unspeaking balls of hate. I mean, I'm getting that it's a POV that you agree with, so it's understandable if you're a little oblivious to it. But when every character has the exact same attitude towards the idea of war, then it's a bias POV and therefore propaganda. It's just as annoyingly present as when it's in leftist propaganda movies.

I also think the hurdle of PTSD was dealt with a little too.. flippantly. I think Eastwood wanted to touch on it without dwelling on it. It's his decision, but I think it hurt the emotional impact of the film.

How was it flippant??? [spoiler]He took out the enemy sniper[/spoiler] and then comes home because he can't take it (the guilt) any more.

Then he deals with that guilt by talking to a doctor, who suggests talking to other vets. So he does, and the PTSD is seemingly gone/forgotten. It's anti-climactic.

BTW, the Left had initially been for, or at least not against, the movie, but that was changed with an article by Dennis Jett in the "New Republic" who admitted not having even seen the film. But that hasn't stopped them from laying it on as thick as possible. Michael Moore said Kyle was a coward, and Seth Rogen made it plain the he's as dumb as the characters he portrays when he said it was like a NAZI propaganda film--and those are just the highlights, er propaganda.

Um.. okay? Am I speaking for "the Left" now or something? I'm not a part of any hive-mind.

Kublai Khan wrote:I think you got hung up on the word "propaganda". I wasn't intending it in a derogatory sense, I just think it's an accurate term. Eastwood is putting forth a story that involves a political belief and life attitude (the sheepdog speech does sum it up) and makes the argument is made that PTSD is created solely by the enemy's tactics.

In a sense, it is, and justly so. The enemy uses women and children as combatants, giving no choice but to defend ourselves against them--with the greater guilt it can carry no matter how undeserved. And "propaganda" carries with the implication that it ignores salient facts, or worse, outright misrepresents the Truth.

But again I feel propaganda is an accurate term to describe what it is.

Are you saying he misrepresents the Truth or presents the story with a bias?

I'm just trying to speak as a consumer of art and motion pictures in particular. I think the tension and the emotional connections he is trying to create are ruined by the constraint of the Biography genre. I think the movie would be a lot better as a narrative piece of work if it was more loosely based on the real world story instead of striving for accuracy.

Huh?

I also think the hurdle of PTSD was dealt with a little too.. flippantly. I think Eastwood wanted to touch on it without dwelling on it. It's his decision, but I think it hurt the emotional impact of the film.

How was it flippant??? [spoiler]He took out the enemy sniper[/spoiler] and then comes home because he can't take it (the guilt) any more.

BTW, the Left had initially been for, or at least not against, the movie, but that was changed with an article by Dennis Jett in the "New Republic" who admitted not having even seen the film. But that hasn't stopped them from laying it on as thick as possible. Michael Moore said Kyle was a coward, and Seth Rogen made it plain the he's as dumb as the characters he portrays when he said it was like a NAZI propaganda film--and those are just the highlights, er propaganda.