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FarCryss wrote:Shogun, Spike Jonze isn't trying to predict the future, so what's possible or impossible is besides the point.

It's very much the point. If the future he depicts is utter nonsense, particularly with regards to the AI and technology, and never going to occur, then the central romance becomes even less relevant and more dull.

And considering the romance isn't much to begin with, that's bad. As one reviewer correctly pointed out, it's a standard chick flick love story. Only difference being that Samantha is a robot. And the ending is slightly different. Everything else is the same (a cliche) as a bad Hollywood romance for housewives.

FarCryss wrote:Let me put it this way: Foxes can't really talk and they generally don't issue out noble wisdom to strangers, but intelligent talking Foxes are important characters in Aesop's Fables. Does this mean Aesop's Fables are fucking retarded, because obviously foxes can't talk? Well, no, that's ridiculous. < dick comment, but it makes my point well enough.

Ah, but Aesop's Fables were

-Entertaining. Her is frequently dull.
-Short and to the point. Her is a 30 minute idea stretched out to 2 hours.
-Most importantly, everything EXCEPT for the "foxes can talk" bit made sense. In Her, half the important shit is laughably absurd, besides the idea that AI are magic and can think for themselves.

Shogun, Spike Jonze isn't trying to predict the future, so what's possible or impossible is besides the point. I'm also not convinced that Spike Jonze was "trying to attain a veneer of realism", either. If your problem is a lack of verisimilitude in a science fiction film, you're going to be severely disappointed with the genre as a whole.

Her is set in an alternate future, removed from reality. It's fiction. I'm also willing to forgive what you consider to be "misguided" because the story is almost entirely presented as an allegory or a fable.

Let me put it this way: Foxes can't really talk and they generally don't issue out noble wisdom to strangers, but intelligent talking Foxes are important characters in Aesop's Fables. Does this mean Aesop's Fables are fucking retarded, because obviously foxes can't talk? Well, no, that's ridiculous. < dick comment, but it makes my point well enough.

Jellysauce wrote:it took me a full day to digest this and settle how i felt about it, but ultimately i decided that i liked it but it was deeply unsettling for me to watch. we live in a world where the disconnect between humans with the advancement of technology is a very real thing (though in an infancy stage) and spike jonze did a good job painting a kind of realistic future world where the disconnect is there but multiplied by 1000 and frankly i find that terrifying. it made me feel really uneasy but i honestly feel like that was probably the point to stress the main themes.

its a romance and its a science fiction flick, both are really easy to completely ruin a movie, but somehow spike jonze made it work. definitely worth a watch but i don't think i could watch it again.

[spoiler]that sex scene between samantha and theodore was somehow the most explicit sex scene i have ever seen in a movie even though it was a black screen with only one person

also i semi wish that when sam ended things with theodore they would have gotten in a huge fight with it escalating to where sam exclaimed that while having sex that she had faked every orgasm[/spoiler]

I think you're missing the final point. She still loves him very much, but she is growing and must move on. She invites him to come and find her when the time comes. I think you would truly benefit from seeing it again. I rank this my only 10+ because of where it points us at the end. That final shot on the roof is so.....perfect.

it took me a full day to digest this and settle how i felt about it, but ultimately i decided that i liked it but it was deeply unsettling for me to watch. we live in a world where the disconnect between humans with the advancement of technology is a very real thing (though in an infancy stage) and spike jonze did a good job painting a kind of realistic future world where the disconnect is there but multiplied by 1000 and frankly i find that terrifying. it made me feel really uneasy but i honestly feel like that was probably the point to stress the main themes.

its a romance and its a science fiction flick, both are really easy to completely ruin a movie, but somehow spike jonze made it work. definitely worth a watch but i don't think i could watch it again.

[spoiler]that sex scene between samantha and theodore was somehow the most explicit sex scene i have ever seen in a movie even though it was a black screen with only one person

also i semi wish that when sam ended things with theodore they would have gotten in a huge fight with it escalating to where sam exclaimed that while having sex that she had faked every orgasm[/spoiler]

OK, I don't know how to say this without sounding like I've gone around the bend, but barring some thoughts I haven't contemplated, and I've always steered away from saying something is my all time favorite, but this may be it. I've never been that impressed with Spike Jonze films before, but this one not only touched my soul, it enunciated things that I've kept pretty close to my chest.

I was looking forward to a good film, and the first half/two-thirds of it were about what I expected--excellent but nothing more. I kept saying to myself, there's no way out of this except.... and then he dropped the other shoe. This is certainly, for me, the best science-fiction film, ever, but it goes beyond that. It's not only exploring what the next step in evolution might be, it asks what the limits of free-will might mean. It delivers what I expected from Prometheus or any of those other "meaning-at-the-center-of-the-universe" projects--even, dare I say it, 2001. This looks at the subject with state of the art knowledge combined with a completely open mind.

I've only been a moderate fan of Scarlett's but this (voice only) performance is exquisite, and it's Phoenix's first role in long time that didn't come off as overbearingly angry. Amy Adams turns in another outstanding performance, and her character is the lynchpin of the story. [spoiler]I worried at the end that they might jump off, at which point I would have exploded, but thankfully Jonze was apparently only manipulating the audience with some send-off tension.[/spoiler]

10/10+

Emotional, heartfelt and real. It was full of simple moments that allowed for the characters to grow emotionally. The tremendous cinematography combined with the constant flow of realistic dialogue, created a true romance. Directed and written by Spike Jonze this film has cute moments, it was happy moments of pure bliss and sad moments of heartbreaking reality. A must see.