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Daigoro wrote:Allying with the SJWs didn't save Joss Whedon from them turning on him and harassing him on twitter.


Of course. Leftists always eat their own eventually. It's the same way in American universities; the 70's liberals and modern-day professors and administrators are presently being attacked and purged by the modern-day leftists. Or in Soviet Russia, where long-time, staunch communist heroes were periodically revealed to be enemies and sent to the gulags or executed.

Pickpocket wrote:I had to look up Rogen and all I found was his comments on American Sniper (really edgy stuff btw). I like how in the article I read they paired him with Michael Moore.


Rogen also wrote a bunch of insults towards Ben Carson when the candidate noted that with more Jews owning guns, the Holocaust might not have been as bad. (Which is completely true) So Rogen is a typically self-hating liberal Jew. There are many, MANY more actors, actresses, directors, and producers I can name, incidentally.

Stewball wrote:There's a very few I clamp on a blanket boycott for


TheSean wrote:I can't do boycotts. I think Tarantino is a moron but I enjoy most of his movies and will definitely be seeing his latest.


See, you two lack dedication. Which is certainly your respective choice, but realize that even a more "moderate" SJW would boycott a right-wing actor, director...then go much further still.

If you're in a fight, the opponent is trying to knock your fucking head off, and you're not even willing to push him, but only politely debate him, you're bound to lose. It doesn't matter who is "right".

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ShogunRua wrote:
Daigoro wrote:Allying with the SJWs didn't save Joss Whedon from them turning on him and harassing him on twitter.


Of course. Leftists always eat their own eventually. It's the same way in American universities; the 70's liberals and modern-day professors and administrators are presently being attacked and purged by the modern-day leftists.


You know there is a pejorative that Republicans use to characterize others who are not sufficiently conservative, right? Many "Rightists" (am I doing this right?) were celebrating the ouster of John Boehner as recently as a few months ago. This is feature of dogmatic groups in general.

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theficionado wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:
Daigoro wrote:Allying with the SJWs didn't save Joss Whedon from them turning on him and harassing him on twitter.


Of course. Leftists always eat their own eventually. It's the same way in American universities; the 70's liberals and modern-day professors and administrators are presently being attacked and purged by the modern-day leftists.


You know there is a pejorative that Republicans use to characterize others who are not sufficiently conservative, right?


Oh yes, "cuckservative". A lovely term. Only I don't consider myself a Republican and am not much of a "conservative". A common mistake people make is to think anyone opposed to socialism/cultural Marxism must be a Republican/conservative. It's not so simple or clear-cut.

Many "Rightists" (am I doing this right?) were celebrating the ouster of John Boehner as recently as a few months ago. This is feature of dogmatic groups in general.


Sure, I was celebrating, too. Boehner was a fifth columnist, sell-out scumbag who rubber-stamped all of Obama's legislation as surely as any Democratic lapdog while attacking the more principled members of his party, like Ted Cruz. What is the purpose of Republicans having control of both the House and Senate if they all approve everything the executive branch comes up with?

Look, SJWs/liberals have been kicking the ass of conservatives for the last 40 years. It's embarrassing how easily and crushingly they have conquered territory after territory, utterly expelled conservatives from entire areas (like colleges), and enacting laws undreamed of by even the most radical leftist a few generations ago.

As a result, many weak Republicans/conservatives have become pathetic turncoats/appeasers.

But what I was talking about is different, like this; http://www.breitbart.com/racism/2015/11 ... i-debacle/

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ShogunRua wrote:See, you two lack dedication. Which is certainly your respective choice, but realize that even a more "moderate" SJW would boycott a right-wing actor, director...then go much further still.

If you're in a fight, the opponent is trying to knock your fucking head off, and you're not even willing to push him, but only politely debate him, you're bound to lose. It doesn't matter who is "right".


How can I criticize a film or it's message without seeing it. And if by polite you mean I don't kill them (as much as I'd like to), well yeah, I fess up. What more can I do besides doing my part to expose it. And something else, sometimes the rumor mill is partially or completely wrong. I can do a lot more damage by bringing my considerable wit and perception to bear 8-) on a case of celluloid sewage/digital dregs accurately, than by withholding my measly 7 bucks. At least that way I walk away clean and with some ammo under my belt which I wouldn't if I'd spent it on some greasy whore.

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ShogunRua wrote:
Rogen also wrote a bunch of insults towards Ben Carson when the candidate noted that with more Jews owning guns, the Holocaust might not have been as bad. (Which is completely true) So Rogen is a typically self-hating liberal Jew. There are many, MANY more actors, actresses, directors, and producers I can name, incidentally.


Last I recall, Rogen was actually atheist and hardly what I'd call "self-hating." I'm not even sure if I could call him liberal, either.

I'm also not sure how the Jews all owning guns would have helped matters. It wouldn't change the fact that the Nazi's were better equipped, better trained and better organized than what a bunch of unsuspecting Jews would be. The Nazi's would be met with more resistance I guess, but I don't think it would have somehow made the Holocaust less worse because the people the Nazi's didn't capture would just be outright killed.

Ben Carson is known to say a lot of stupid things, but it's kinda odd how Rogen would latch onto this of all things.

ShogunRua wrote:
See, you two lack dedication. Which is certainly your respective choice, but realize that even a more "moderate" SJW would boycott a right-wing actor, director...then go much further still.

If you're in a fight, the opponent is trying to knock your fucking head off, and you're not even willing to push him, but only politely debate him, you're bound to lose. It doesn't matter who is "right".


Personally, I don't really care enough about the inner politics or the personal views of the people who make things. I'll boycott something if I don't like the work of the person in question, such as Orson Scott Card or Will Ferrell.

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Last I recall, Rogen was actually atheist and hardly what I'd call "self-hating." I'm not even sure if I could call him liberal, either.

I'm also not sure how the Jews all owning guns would have helped matters. It wouldn't change the fact that the Nazi's were better equipped, better trained and better organized than what a bunch of unsuspecting Jews would be. The Nazi's would be met with more resistance I guess, but I don't think it would have somehow made the Holocaust less worse because the people the Nazi's didn't capture would just be outright killed.

Ben Carson is known to say a lot of stupid things, but it's kinda odd how Rogen would latch onto this of all things.

I don't think he's self hating but he def plays the Jew convenience card all the time. He's one of these idiotic Jews who believe that the Jews are the chosen people, as he says in several of his films. Believing this leads to stagnation and apathy in the West, which is apparent from how he acts to how he looks. I mean imagine looking like this:

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and thinking you're chosen by God.

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Pickpocket wrote:I feel the same way but I'm living that piracy life so I'm not giving them any money.


To be honest, I'm the same. I will go out of my way to not give them my money. Plus... it's more convenient than waiting months for the local release. For the films I really want to see though... I will wait.

I'm with Stewball on Michael Moore. I won't be seeing anything he puts out. I almost wish I could go back in time an not consume his terrible movies and his dumb books. I was young and stupid.

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ShogunRua wrote:
theficionado wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Of course. Leftists always eat their own eventually. It's the same way in American universities; the 70's liberals and modern-day professors and administrators are presently being attacked and purged by the modern-day leftists.


You know there is a pejorative that Republicans use to characterize others who are not sufficiently conservative, right?


Oh yes, "cuckservative". A lovely term. Only I don't consider myself a Republican and am not much of a "conservative". A common mistake people make is to think anyone opposed to socialism/cultural Marxism must be a Republican/conservative. It's not so simple or clear-cut.


Yes, I know that the right is composed of many groups, some contradictory, some overlapping: nationalists, social conservatives, Evangelical Christians, libertarians, the wealthy, and men in general. Just as the left is composed of African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, gay people, women, the non-religious, unionists, etc. I'm speaking in probabilistic terms, of course.

I had to look up the meaning of "cultural Marxism" because nobody I know identifies with cultural Marxism. Wikipedia says: "Cultural Marxism is a term used by critics and even self-admitted Marxists are unlikely to use the term to describe their own ideology." Seems to me that it's a label used by political opponents to group a diverse array of political interests together in order to characterize them in negative terms through a connotation with Marx (which is seemingly still effective in American society).

Political coalition formation is an iterative process. Hispanic Americans don't flock to the left because they're cultural Marxists. They're largely on the left because the nativist rhetoric on the right kind treats their heritage and perhaps even their living relatives with a great deal of disdain.

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Many "Rightists" (am I doing this right?) were celebrating the ouster of John Boehner as recently as a few months ago. This is feature of dogmatic groups in general.


Sure, I was celebrating, too. Boehner was a fifth columnist, sell-out scumbag who rubber-stamped all of Obama's legislation as surely as any Democratic lapdog while attacking the more principled members of his party, like Ted Cruz. What is the purpose of Republicans having control of both the House and Senate if they all approve everything the executive branch comes up with?

So you're saying ... you support his expulsion because he wasn't conservative enough? Rationalize it all you want, I do it, too, but it's the same thing.

ShogunRua wrote:Look, SJWs/liberals have been kicking the ass of conservatives for the last 40 years. It's embarrassing how easily and crushingly they have conquered territory after territory, utterly expelled conservatives from entire areas (like colleges), and enacting laws undreamed of by even the most radical leftist a few generations ago.

As a result, many weak Republicans/conservatives have become pathetic turncoats/appeasers.

But what I was talking about is different, like this; http://www.breitbart.com/racism/2015/11 ... i-debacle/

That's one narrative. I could easily provide some counter-narratives detailing years and years of liberal defeat. How about neoliberalization? An increase in privatization of public institutions and goods, deregulation, and free trade?

Here's an alternative take on the Mizzou situation according to that narrative: The "cultural Marxist" students actually don't have any power whatsoever. What led to the resignation of the adminstrators was the involvement of the Mizzou football team. As state governments have funded state universities less and less, universities require money from alternative sources, such as alumni donations and have accordingly placed more importance on sports team, as a way of maintaining strong identification with the school. Events also provide ticket sales, visibility in entertainment markets, etc. The only reason the administrators got canned was because of the ridiculous amount of future money dependent upon 70 or so student-athletes, who only were only able to leverage their position as revenue sources because the state is providing the university with fewer and fewer funds.

I suspect the reason groups create these narratives is that the underdog narratives and victimhood narratives — WE'RE the ones being oppressed — are, counterintuitively, sources of resonance and probably a great way to engender political commitment. And, again, it seems to be a common feature of both sides for this reason.

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ShogunRua wrote:[b] It's embarrassing how easily and crushingly they have conquered territory after territory, utterly expelled conservatives from entire areas (like colleges), and enacting laws undreamed of by even the most radical leftist a few generations ago.

One more thing: I remember having a conversation with you about women directors and you suggested that the disproportionately small number of women directors is exclusively a matter of self-selection. Here, you seem rather certain that conservatives were expelled.

Perhaps the reason you see fewer conservative intellectuals in universities (though definitely not think tanks!) is for the same reason you see fewer liberal gun store owners and fewer conservatives working in Planned Parenthood.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... ctrination

So, academia is indeed more liberal than America, just as other professions, such as the clergy and the military, are dens of conservatism. But where conservatives get it wrong, Gross says, is in their simplistic assertions that academia's leftward lean is a result of bias or discrimination. Rather, he argues, academia is liberal because... it has been attacked for being liberal. Gross's analysis concludes that the ivory tower's well-known political reputation has encouraged a kind of self-selection effect, where conservatives gravitate away from it, and liberals towards it.


In short, conservatives' narratives of ideological bias becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when, as a consequence, they self-select out of academic jobs.

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theficionado wrote:In short, conservatives' narratives of ideological bias becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when, as a consequence, they self-select out of academic jobs.


Self-select? Huh??? Some states may be cutting back, but the federal government sure isn't. Academia (including all government schools) is one of the three prongs of the socialist agenda, along with the media and the federal government's brand of fascist socialism--under the Democrats in an under-the-table alliance with the establishment Republicans.

You really gon' quote Mother Jones? The NY Times is unbiased compared to them, er, it. Well, so OK, that's not possible, but you knowhatuhmean. What next, Snopes?

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