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Top 5 Director Averages

Postby AFlickering » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:11 pm

I'm only including directors by whom I've seen 2 or more films, though I might do another list with a 3 minimum when I can be bothered. People who've seen a lot more movies than me might want a higher minimum, or alternatively not waste their time on this thread. :(

Mine:
1. Andrei Tarkovsky 95.33 (3 films)
2. Wong Kar-Wai 93.5 (2 films)
3. Satoshi Kon 93 (2 films)
4. Akira Kurosawa 92.67 (6 films)
5. Milos Forman 91.5 (2 films)

Interesting that Forman sneaked onto the list, bet he'll drop pretty quickly when I see some of his less known works. Also interesting but not really surprising that my favourite director Herzog isn't up there - the score was dragged down by Nosferatu and Even Dwarfes Started Small even though they're still good.

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby KGB » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:21 am

How did you get this? Did you actually run all of your films average? Because I haven't seen Averages since Criticker got an update. Oh, and by the way, I miss the top 10 feature.

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby TheAlliance » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:44 am

I guess manually (by checking some of his fav. directors).

You can find the averages here for example: http://www.criticker.com/?pl=d&id=557
sadly, no top 5/top10 list.. yet

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby AFlickering » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:10 pm

Yeah, I did manually check director pages, I didn't work out the averages myself though, I'm not quite that sad.

A top 10 feature for things like this would be excellent. I'm not so bothered about the old top ten feature because there's a far more varied amount of available top 10 lists just by varying the "Films you've seen" filter anyway.

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby FitFortDanga » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:39 pm

Well, I didn't look up EVERY director, but the most likely candidates, and came up with:

1. Anh-Hung Tran - 94.67 (3 films)
2. Ming-Liang Tsai - 92.56 (9 films)
3. Emir Kusturica - 88.43 (7 films)
4. Kenji Mizoguchi - 86.5 (6 films)
5. Francois Truffaut - 86.22 (9 films)

While these are all among my favorite directors, the ones I'm REALLY fanatical about (Bergman, Herzog, Hitchcock, Bunuel, Satyajit Ray, Kurosawa) have lower scores. This is because they have large bodies of work and I've tried to see as much of it as I can... including their failures. Tran, Tsai, and Kusturica haven't done a whole lot. And Mizoguchi and Truffaut each have a LOT of films I haven't seen yet.

Here are my scores for the ones AFlickering posted:

Andrei Tarkovsky 73.57 (7 films)
Wong Kar-Wai 75.86 (7 films)
Satoshi Kon 53 (1 film)
Akira Kurosawa 81.92 (26 films)
Milos Forman 79.14 (7 films)

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby -BigEvil- » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:05 am

As far as the numbers go, using a minimum of three movies, it's...
Masaki Kobayashi - 96.33 (3 films)
Jean-Pierre Melville - 95.5 (4 films)
Orson Welles - 94.66 (3 films)
Akira Kurosawa - 93 (12 films)
Sergio Leone - 92.8 (5 films)

Honorable Mentions:
Francois Truffaut - 96 (Only 2 films, but I still gotta throw his name down)
Billy Wilder - 92 (4 films)
Martin Scorsese - 90.8 (5 films)
Alfred Hitchcock - 90.33 (6 films)
Jules Dassin - 90.33 (3 films)
Stanley Kubrick - 89.79 (14 films)
Otto Preminger - 87.25 (4 films)

But if I had to list my actual five favorite directors in order, it would be Kubrick > Kurosawa > Scorsese > Kobayashi > Leone.

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby Icarus » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:51 pm

This was an interesting test. I would consider the results a good barometer of the films I like today, though those excluded from my list reminded me that I need to revisit some Dreyer (81.11) and Tarkovsky (83.75), two filmmakers I like a great deal. I also need to see more later Ford (79.15). I suspect all those numbers will rise. I also decided to only include directors when I'd seen at least five of their films. Otherwise, I would also have Wong (88), Ozu (88.33), and Satyajit Ray (96.67). My top five:

1. Robert Bresson - 96.44 (9)
2. Tsai Ming-liang - 88.63 (8)
3. P.T. Anderson - 88 (5)
4. Orson Welles - 87.4 (5)
5. Charles Chaplin - 86.1 (10)

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby Jellysauce » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:45 pm

Darren Aronofsky - 95.67%
Christopher Nolan - 95%
Trey Parker - 91.5%
Stanley Kubrick - 91%
Coen Brothers - 88.75%
Hayao Miyazaki - 86.13%

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Re: Top 5 Director Averages

Postby paulofilmo » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:53 pm

Jonathan Demme - 83 (2)
Ingmar Bergman - 79.5 (2)
Edward Zwick - 79 (2)
Richard Linklater - 77 (6)
Shane Meadows - 76.67 (3)

Although, I think I am more of a screenwriter type.


The funny thing is, one of my highest averages for anyone is Scottish actress Kelly Macdonald, with 81. That score may shoot up once I see No Country.
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Who are the greatest directors?

Postby djross » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:59 am

Firstly, determing the top directorial averages clearly does not amount to determining the best directors. There is a clear bias, for example, toward directors who have only made a few movies, or in other cases I may only have seen their best films. In some cases, the best directors are dragged down precisely because, liking their movies, I see even their films I know aren't likely to be masterpieces (shorts, early films, etc.). So, keeping in mind that these are not necessarily my favourite directors (though clearly they directed some of my favourite films), here's my top 10:

1. Vittorio De Sica: 96 (2 films)
2. Gaspar Noé: 95 (2 films)
3. Terrence Malick: 93.25 (4 films)
4. Adam Curtis: 92.33 (3 films)
5. Claude Lanzmann: 92 (2 films)
6. Andrei Tarkovsky: 88.33 (6 films)
7. Orson Welles: 88.2 (5 films)
8. Leo McCarey: 87.33 (3 films)
9. Ingmar Bergman: 85.8 (15 films)
10. Eric Rohmer: 85.75 (12 films)

Some directors I like who didn't make it on the list include:

Mark Sandrich: 85.4 (7 films)
Preston Sturges: 85 (5 films)
Robert Bresson: 84.33 (6 films)
Lars von Trier: 84 (13 films)
Abbas Kiarostami: 82.36 (14 films)
Stanley Kubrick: 82.25 (12 films)
François Truffaut: 82 (5 films)
Werner Herzog: 81.24 (21 films)
Akira Kurosawa: 80.83 (6 films)
Federico Fellini: 79.57 (7 films)
Hans-Jürgen Syberberg 79.5 (4 films)
Errol Morris: 77.86 (7 films)
Alfred Hitchcock: 77.54 (13 films)
John Huston: 76.33 (12 films)
Milos Forman: 75 (6 films)
David Lynch: 74.73 (11 films)
Coen brothers: 74.6 (10 films)
Martin Scorsese: 74.04 (27 films)
Robert Altman: 73.31 (26 films)
Quentin Tarantino: 73.75 (4 films)
Woody Allen: 73.11 (35 films)

And for comparison:

Roman Polanski: 68.44 (9 films)
Francis Ford Coppola: 67.1 (10 films). Note: inflated due to New York Stories; his "true" average is 60.6.
Sidney Lumet: 66.82 (11 films)
David Cronenberg: 61.67 (12 films)
Pedro Almodovar: 58.33 (6 films)
John Landis: 56.5 (10 films)
John Carpenter: 55.91 (11 films)
Brian De Palma: 41.67 (6 films)
Steven Spielberg: 41.1 (10 films)
Blake Edwards: 32 (5 films)

So who, then, are really the best feature film directors? In terms of consistently great output, and with a couple of very difficult omissions, here is my uncalculated, purely subjective, list (in alphabetical order):

Top 10 directors
Altman, Bergman, Herzog, Kiarostami, Kubrick, Lynch, Malick, Rohmer, Tarkovsky, von Trier.

Note that only 4 out of this top 10 made it into the statistically determined top 10.

But how to order this Top 10 list? One way would be by asking how many masterpieces each director has made. For me, a masterpiece means a score between 91 and 100. Or how many superb movies they have made (a score between 90 and 100, my Tier 10), or how many excellent movies they have made (between 85 and 100, Tier 9 & 10 combined).

So here are the results for the Top 10, with the three numbers beside the names indicating the number of masterpieces, superb films, and excellent films for each director:

Altman 3 4 8
Bergman 4 8 9
Herzog 3 4 7
Kiarostami 4 5 7
Kubrick 2 4 7
Lynch 5 5 5
Malick 3 4 4
Rohmer 3 5 9
Tarkovsky 2 4 5
von Trier 6 7 8

So by these numbers, von Trier is the greatest director by number of masterpieces, followed by Lynch, then Bergman and Kiarostami tied for third.
Or, by number of superb films, Bergman is the greatest (and there's still lots of Bergmans I haven't seen), followed by von Trier, then Kiarostami, Lynch and Rohmer all tied for third.
Or, by number of excellent films, Bergman and Rohmer tie in first place (still some Rohmers to see too), followed by Altman and von Trier.
But it is difficult to conclude that any of these measures will enable me to order my Top 10 list: for example, I should mention that, according to me, Woody Allen directed 4 masterpieces, 6 superb films, and 10 excellent films. Which means he has more masterpieces than 6 of my supposed Top 10 directors, and which by the last measure (number of excellent films) puts him above anybody on the list, even though I didn't even include him in my Top 10 directors. Perhaps I should have.


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