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Joker

Postby Stewball » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:39 am

This takes "dark" to an extreme, without any touches of dark comedy, making it exceptionally creepy, like the scene with him bathing his mother. :? The first third is pretty one-dimensional until the other early characters from Batman start appearing; making this the reality or history behind the canonical myths and legends in the Batman comics and Dark Knight movies. It's hard to compare Phoenix's performance with Heath Ledger's. They're both powerful, but I can almost hear Ledger's version asking Phoenix, "why so serioussssa?"
Excellent use of music and to a certain extent, dance. My favorite scene, is his routine on the stairs (see poster) to Gary Glitter's "Rock & Roll Pt. 2"--well, that and an honorable mention for De Niro's last scene. 8-)

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Re: Joker

Postby kgbelliveau » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:50 pm

It most definitely one of the most uncomfortable viewing experiences. It was an extreme look into a fractured mind that didn't get enough help. I can't honestly see anyone aside from Phoenix in this role and I am not sure that's a testament to this performance or the his own signs of diving too deep into his roles for the sake of art.

One hell of a film, not sure I even fully understand how I truly feel about it
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Re: Joker

Postby TheSean » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:12 pm

Stewball wrote: My favorite scene, is his routine on the stairs (see poster) to Gary Glitter's "Rock & Roll Pt. 2"


That was a highlight for me too.

Overall I really enjoyed this film.

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Re: Joker

Postby Mentaculus » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:13 pm

Stewball wrote:Excellent use of music and to a certain extent, dance. My favorite scene, is his routine on the stairs (see poster) to Gary Glitter's "Rock & Roll Pt. 2"--well, that and an honorable mention for De Niro's last scene. 8-)


Absolutely -- although for me a favorite moment (and an early clue of the kind of descent we were going to see) was the first slow dance in the dingy bathroom
Spoiler: show
after the triple murder
. It planted those seeds of the Joker creepy dance as a kind of personal yoga and a way to say he's freeing himself of responsibility for his actions. Of course this dance becomes a perverse celebration on the stair scene.

I know everyone's talking about the Scorsese influences but I saw it more as a bizarroworld cross of Christmas Evil and Network - it has the same mood as Beale shouting into the TV "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!", and people start shouting it into the streets - but it just takes that anger and adds some murder and mayhem and madness to it.
Spoiler: show
(Plus, it ends with a TV host being killed on live TV, so it has another direct parallel.)
People are going to disagree with that, and they should, but that may be why this is one of the more important films of the year for me.


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