ayall wrote:
The Tim Burton not following the comics is very similar to the argument we had about x-men... In my opinion, it doesn't need to follow 1:1, it's a movie not a comic... so you build on the core plot lines and try to develop something that will adapt to the screen. I think Tim did a pretty good job with Batman and i don't think an over abundance of comic reading/following should have really been a prerequisite (again, same with the more recent x-men movies).
I completely agree. I don't recall us having an argument about X-Men though, heh.
Replicant wrote:I don't think Burton's Batman was necessarily terrible, but for some reason I can't look at it the same anymore, but I still get a thrill from it. I genuinely like Batman Returns, so take that as you will. It's all the points from the first film with added creativity. I don't mind if comic movies stray from the source material, you need to adapt (comics should not play out like films, and films can't get away with the conventions of comics afterall),
Sure, I liked "Batman Returns" even more than the first one.
Here are two more quotes, Kubrick on Speilberg (as told by Gilliam one minute in)
That is as harsh as it is true
Meh, not really. Kind of a stupid video.
Obviously, it doesn't take a genius to realize that Spielberg makes popular mass entertainment, with happy endings, simple themes and characters, and the occasional bit of pandering. Considering his main target audience is 8-16 year olds though, that is all to be expected.
What annoys me is the praise for Kubrick's story sensibilities, which are often just as primitive and simplistic, although in terms of presentation/style, Kubrick is far superior to Spielberg, so they're "dressed up" more.
Kubrick never wrote an original script in his life, and would absolutely butcher the ideas in many of the stories he adapted, from "The Shining" (which Stephen King hated) to "Lolita" (which Nabokov hated, and I did too, having read the book first).
Kubrick was all about style, not substance. Sure, in terms of style he was the maybe the greatest ever, but in terms of substance, he was a zero.
The mention of "Eyes Wide Shut" is especially fucking rich, since the message behind that film is as idiotic as anything in a Spielberg flick. "Sex is evil and leads to bad things!"
